Hamilton
Tree Surgeon
There is always someone who can attack you regardless of route choice, how can you pick a route based on what's around you in 2 weeks after start?
Sleep for solos should be kept, but removed for allies
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There is always someone who can attack you regardless of route choice, how can you pick a route based on what's around you in 2 weeks after start?
Sleep for solos should be kept, but removed for allies
He may if we shorten the round length to offset the difference.
If the round length is shortened without a reduction in price he'd have an increase in profit over the space of a year.
A reduction in price would offset this to maintain the status quo. (Though, albeit, the current way game-cash works would be a different matter to consider. I suspect his income from game-cash has reduced at a far greater rate than from blue-print purchases though. Some clever changes to game-cash over a shorter round might actually help increase profits towards the end of the round). ((Not to get too sucked into profits/loss and the business side of things - But some consideration, you're right, is needed))
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Also, regarding alliance member limits:
There seems to be a great deal of agreement that the number should come down from 20. People seem to be either saying 10 or 15.
I personally think something like 12. No reason to get caught up on 10 or a midpoint between 10 and 20?
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[Ninja-7]
Head Gardener
Personally, I argree with everything Dimitar said, also:
- I think land training needs to be looked at. Maybe half the land grab for each successive tick until, say 5 ticks have passed between attacks?
- 1 PNAP sounds lovely
- CDs and Nutters to recieve some purpose changes, not sure what but make them more useful! Maybe CD as a cheap (comparatively to rest of route) flak unit? And Nutter lower Init and higher AD - make tem a real close tick hooly, not some poor imitation!
- 15 man allys sounds about right to me, as at 20 atm you tend to have around 5 that don't log on as much unless your team is ultra-motivated/FTW
In addition - Reward for round win, allied and solo? Maybe something small like ID booking - not sure who/how many still uses this service, could be a nice gentle way of encouraging/rewarding winners.
- I think land training needs to be looked at. Maybe half the land grab for each successive tick until, say 5 ticks have passed between attacks?
- 1 PNAP sounds lovely
- CDs and Nutters to recieve some purpose changes, not sure what but make them more useful! Maybe CD as a cheap (comparatively to rest of route) flak unit? And Nutter lower Init and higher AD - make tem a real close tick hooly, not some poor imitation!
- 15 man allys sounds about right to me, as at 20 atm you tend to have around 5 that don't log on as much unless your team is ultra-motivated/FTW
In addition - Reward for round win, allied and solo? Maybe something small like ID booking - not sure who/how many still uses this service, could be a nice gentle way of encouraging/rewarding winners.
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tobapopalos
Hydroponics Developer
Yes, there is always someone who can attack you regardless of route choice. That's why I also listed activity and pnaps. With a canny use of all three of these it is possible for a solo to do well without sleep mode.
If you think 24/7 invulnerability is a great idea then we are never going to agree on this. I just happen to think that if a solo wants to stay alive they should have to work for it rather than have it given to them on a plate.
Alcibiades
Plant Geneticist
Toby is naturally right. Hamilton is (naturally) wrong.
Hamilton
Tree Surgeon
Disregarding Alci's flame post, I understand what you're saying and that is why there is typically two sides to every story. IMO, everybody is suggesting taking all these things away from solo's which is just making it almost impossible to stay alive and work for a worthwhile round without being 24/7 active.
1 PNAP with no sleep mode? Harsh.
I still think removing sleep mode for allied players is alot fairer, just not taking the **** too much on solo's.
What you just said is everything that's wrong with the game. Highest level of scorequeening. People need to understand that getting attacked is a part of the game, it is not something you want to avoid. You want to have plenty of targets and send out attacks constantly, but you also want to be able to prevent any attacks. Why should others be vulnerable (to your attacks), but not you? Are you special? <insert joke about other meanings of "special">
Now your counter argument is probably that you don't mind incomings, as long as you're online, so you can send out and only lose acres. But that has the exact same problem. You want to attack people to kill/distract/whatever their troops to get bounty, honour and fame, eff and such.
So basically if everyone felt the need to protect themselves even while offline, we may as well all mass CGs and flak each other all round long.
PS: Not having a personal hit at you, just expressing opinion.
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Chris_
Head Gardener
remove 1 day to delete (dont make it instant ofc, but 3-4 hours or so maybe)
Hamilton
Tree Surgeon
I like opinions
Alliances have the option to be contactable which 90%+ are these days more so in the top 5. So if you're allied and contactable, why should solo's have their only option of safety be removed? I'm not saying it means they can scorequeen because from what I've seen, solo's don't necessarily hit sleepmode anyway, but should an ally member be away for 8 hours then he/she can rely on their 19 other members to get them on, whereas solo, they have nothing but sleep. As if being solo wasn't hard enough right now bar the exception of those RIDICULOUSLY active right now (Vamp in top 15).
Am I the only one who thinks sleep for solo's and no sleep for allies? :'(
Are there other ways to in someway conclude this?
tobapopalos
Hydroponics Developer
I'm sorry...you don't see activity, AR, pnaps and contactability as options for solos?
Sleep mode is NOT the only option. It is simply the EASY option. Get a grip.
Hamilton
Tree Surgeon
Lol....get a grip. Calm down babycakes.
Anyway, contactability is the EASY option for those allied, maybe too easy yet they get the option. It's a rare use in the circumstances where it is needed, but how about getting rid of sleepmode above 8 hours? I mean 3 days, 1 and 2 week sleep is the joker.
Put that in discussion instead
Hamilton
Tree Surgeon
I'm going on holiday for 75 days....sleep mode accompany that?
tobapopalos
Hydroponics Developer
In what way is contactability the easy option? To think that the easy thing to do is text/prank your ally mates while they're sleeping every night so they don't die in a game... Contactability might not take skill, but it does take a stupid amount of commitment for a game.
Do you not think the option of 100% guaranteed lack of any incoming, ie. sleep mode, is easier than that?
Sleep mode over 8 hours is not the problem. How many people does it really affect? If you sleep mode for a week it is clear that you aren't playing. You won't die, but you won't earn any money either. Everyone around you will pass you by.
8 hours is far too practical for someone who can be on during the day but fancies a nice 8 hour sleep every night without any worry of dying, and they can then play again the next day, and so on. It is basically 100% security with no real drawbacks.
The ease with which you can play as a solo with sleep mode is utterly ridiculous. If I wanted an easy round I'd go solo with sleep mode, not allied and contactable.
Spiky Spoon
Head Gardener
Just agreeimg with a few other points.
Yes to lowering round length. 45 - 60 days is long enough
Yes to lowering alliance members. 15/16 should be fine
Definitely yes to someone being able to deal with multis!
I don't think 8 hour sleep should be removed. But maybe put something into place where you can't use it every night. say you get to use it once in 72 hours or something along those lines?
Yes to lowering round length. 45 - 60 days is long enough
Yes to lowering alliance members. 15/16 should be fine
Definitely yes to someone being able to deal with multis!
I don't think 8 hour sleep should be removed. But maybe put something into place where you can't use it every night. say you get to use it once in 72 hours or something along those lines?
Looking at the format of responses I think I may have made a mistake making suggestions for discussion.
Don't limit your ideas to alliance member size, round length ETC - These are just a few of the more straightforward things that can be changed quite easily.
Other ideas are welcome!
Don't limit your ideas to alliance member size, round length ETC - These are just a few of the more straightforward things that can be changed quite easily.
Other ideas are welcome!
people have made suggestions about routes, units, and a host of multiple other things. similarly - most changes need to be minor tweaks as you said. also, they are discussing suggestions that are most important to them in the current state of the game.
Gazzy
Head Gardener
Maybe have a seperate thread + poll for unit stat tweaks and another (here) for more general changes?