Black Ops

[tobapopalos]

People who fire from guns and brag about it cant fire from their penis a wise man once said.

Was it me?

 

[tobapopalos]

The Ak-74U is the submachine gun which is the one without the stock. The AK47 is the assault rifle. There is no AKSU.

l2guns

I affectionately nickname it the AKSU (actual technical name for this variant is the Kalashnikov AKS-74U). You will notice however, that I made reference to it being an AK74 without a stock. The 'AKSU' was made as a specialized CQB stockless/folding stock assault rifle for Spetsnaz Russian Special Forces during the Cold War era.
So yes, it is an assault rifle, as it still used the 5.45x39mm Warsaw Pact round. Submachine guns more often than not utilise small arms caliber, and combine it with rapid fire at the cost of some stopping power. They were made for CQB situations where over-penetration of targets was undesired (such as hostage situations).
So in short, no. It is an assault rifle that was incorrectly categorized. The AK47 and the AK74 are totally different weaponry eras - The AK74 replaced the AK47 as the assault rifle of the Warsaw Pact in 1970.

But seriously, if you want me to actually educate you about weapons, I've also fired an AK47 and an AK74-M (amongst many others), so I can also tell you all about how different in appearance and practicality they actually are. Your knowledge is based on games and the internet. Mine is based upon experience. You can go and baw about putting your foot in your mouth, now.

Yeah, we're talking about a game, and for the purposes of the game it made more sense to put it in the submachine gun category. Who cares what kind of ammunition it uses? If you're looking for 100% accuracy perhaps you shouldn't play computer games.

 

[Dax]

The Ak-74U is the submachine gun which is the one without the stock. The AK47 is the assault rifle. There is no AKSU.

l2guns

I affectionately nickname it the AKSU (actual technical name for this variant is the Kalashnikov AKS-74U). You will notice however, that I made reference to it being an AK74 without a stock. The 'AKSU' was made as a specialized CQB stockless/folding stock assault rifle for Spetsnaz Russian Special Forces during the Cold War era.
So yes, it is an assault rifle, as it still used the 5.45x39mm Warsaw Pact round. Submachine guns more often than not utilise small arms caliber, and combine it with rapid fire at the cost of some stopping power. They were made for CQB situations where over-penetration of targets was undesired (such as hostage situations).
So in short, no. It is an assault rifle that was incorrectly categorized. The AK47 and the AK74 are totally different weaponry eras - The AK74 replaced the AK47 as the assault rifle of the Warsaw Pact in 1970.

But seriously, if you want me to actually educate you about weapons, I've also fired an AK47 and an AK74-M (amongst many others), so I can also tell you all about how different in appearance and practicality they actually are. Your knowledge is based on games and the internet. Mine is based upon experience. You can go and baw about putting your foot in your mouth, now.

Yeah, we're talking about a game, and for the purposes of the game it made more sense to put it in the submachine gun category. Who cares what kind of ammunition it uses? If you're looking for 100% accuracy perhaps you shouldn't play computer games.

Look, if you're going to tell somebody they're wrong, just be ready to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong just in case. You told me there's no such thing, and that it is a submachine gun, despite not actually knowing that. And the ammunition it uses is very relevant - A submachine gun cannot fire assault rifle ammunition, or it would be an assault rifle.
You were wrong. Just reinforcing that point, for you.

I didn't even judge the game harshly on it's inaccuracy of weaponry classing, it was just about the fact it had irritated me, yet you picked up on that, rather than my criticism - Which was the campaign was boring and predictable. As an FPS, the only decent thing they did was the combat dive, but Medal of Honour had already made a combat slide beforehand anyway - So it's hardly groundbreaking.
You cannot judge a game on it's multiplayer. I say this, because a game needs to have substance both on and offline, for those that don't want to/can't play online. Decent off/online games are a rare find. I would have said GoW2 got it right, but PvP is appalling and full of obscene glitches. The Horde idea was great, though.

 

[tobapopalos]

I think a lot of people get a hell of a lot more game time from multiplayer than single player, so I see the multiplayer as more important. Obviously some games are going to be more single player oriented, but CoD has never been one of them. I would imagine a lot of people buy it for the multiplayer and don't really mind if the single player isn't that good as long as the multiplayer is. Obviously you disagree, but that's cool.

As to the AK74-U744474 thing, you're right. I have no idea about the guns in real life, and nor do I care. I was talking purely from the game point of view. There was no AKSU in the game, which is what I was referring to. But I know enough about games to know that what kind of ammunition a gun fires really doesn't matter at all. If it isn't entirely accurate, who cares? I'm sure the game developers were aware of the technical inaccuracies of certain portions of the game and decided it was better the way they did it. Hell, most of the guns they have had in more than one game have been completely different depending on the game. Desert Eagle in CoD4 was immense. Deagle in MW2 was awful.

The first sentence or two of my post was a throw-away comment and, as you've said, it was wrong. I kind of thought the "l2guns" bit would be a giveaway that I wasn't being entirely serious.

However, you've also said that I disregarded your comments on the single player, which is untrue.

And the single player was rubbish, like you said.

See, I agreed with you. my original post was essentially pointing out that although BO isn't an amazing game, it does have it's positives.

As to the MoH thing, I can't really judge. I heard the single player was good but the multiplayer wasn't great, and for me the multiplayer is where I get value for money. So I didn't fancy spending £40 for a couple of days play.

 

[pinpower]

Personally one of the things that has kept me playing black ops all this time is the wager matches, really hope something similar is in MW3 as they are a ton of fun and mixes things up rather than constantly playing your standard TDM or w/e...

Also the ability to have 2 players on the same console keeps me and my friends playing most days so they better not drop that!!!!!

 

[Dax]

Personally one of the things that has kept me playing black ops all this time is the wager matches, really hope something similar is in MW3 as they are a ton of fun and mixes things up rather than constantly playing your standard TDM or w/e...

Also the ability to have 2 players on the same console keeps me and my friends playing most days so they better not drop that!!!!!

This has only really been isolated to the COD games - It was a Halo feature for a long time, which is why it was such a brilliant game. It encouraged you to play with your mates. I guess CoD designers finally realised people do want to socialise whilst playing their games...

 

[willymchilybily]

all the gun arguing. not fussed.get over it but back on topic

The Ak-74U is the submachine gun which is the one without the stock. The AK47 is the assault rifle. There is no AKSU.

l2guns

Black Ops isn't a bad game. Compared to other FPS games I've played it is still better, but all CoD games are ultimately going to be immediately compared with CoD4, and they won't ever come out on top.

All the CoD games since 4 have essentially been the same with slightly changed perks/guns/maps. Unfortunately they've all tried too hard to make it as customisable as possible, rather than trying to improve gameplay. So many of the options on BO are completely unnecessary. Face camo anyone? While also getting rid of some of the cool unlockables from CoD4 / MW2. Now you can buy them all and it doesn't mean you've achieved diddly squat. Buying any perks whenever you want, buying the gun camos whenever, buying attachments whenever...that was a step backwards imo.

Also, how many pages of statistics do you need? :/

And the single player was rubbish, like you said.

i think mw2 was awsome and an equal of cod.mw1, even if it lacked some of the orioginal awe it added to the series in a positive and enjoyable way....i just think that the modernwarefare games are so much better than the other call of duty follow ons.(black ops/world at war)


I also think yeah like you say they went to far this time. and too much zombies and extras and ****. instead of keeping focused on gameplay. also i completely agree...you should earn gun unlocks etc. not just buy them.

 

[tomtree]

you should earn gun unlocks etc. not just buy them.

definitely.

I actually really like all the pages of stats though.

 

[CrazyMonkey01]

I like me some sticks n stones n all the wager matches are fun. But mainly i like domination. Stadium is my all time favorite map i hate all the long range maps like array.
add me prejudgedtie22 ill play ya just add uhm that your from bushtarion on friend request n ill murk you

 

[saint1d]

I've never even bothered with the single player, well maybe a couple of hours. The multi player is far less predictable.

I dont really care what type of weapon the ak74u is, I just know it's my weapon of choice for close/medium range. Rifle wise I like the aug but recently been having fun with the m16/aog.

Maps I prefer are Radiation, Villa and WMD