Mw3

[timtadams]

Since i cant get good connection games on mw2 anymore ive gone back to this. But instead of having a 'tactical' class I've just gone mainly with the run & gun, assault rifle, sleight of hand, quickdraw and sitrep. This class works great and i can frequently do well with it. Almost finished 1st prestige and liking it a little bit more (still <MW2)

I always have an anti-air class, and so i do for MW3. Stinger, blindeye, assassin and sitrep. Now for primary weapon, in mw2 i would just have my favorite assault rifle; the SCAR.

However, in MW3 ive been trying the light machine guns which i typically dont like. Now, using ironsights is pretty crappy and none seemed any good for killing guys. Just too slow and inaccurate. But then I unlocked M60E4, and this gun is awesome! And suddenly this class is beastly! having 100 rounds to burn before reloading is great, and with red dot/acog it's great from close all the way to medium-long ranges (sniper range across map is not that great, but for most situations its sufficient). Gotta have kick proficiency for sure.

And when any air support pops up, flip out the stinger and take it out, adding to your point streak, getting rid of those pesky radars and making your team happy. A light machine gun with red dot/acog is also good for taking out those recon drones.

I was getting KDs of between 2 and 4 pretty consistently, which is better than usual for me.

Oh yeah, EMP GRENADES. They are awesome. Take out enemy turrets in one go (sentry, remote or SAM). They also destroy any enemy equipment, and if you get a person, they lose their UAV, red dot etc (just like EMP point streak reward). Its so satisfying destroying their turrets etc so easily.

 

[Hamilton]

Nicely put. I'm just like you and gone back to MW3 and it's, well...different.

I'm one usually who bases decisions on hope than reality so I go for assault rifles with the Scavenger Pro. I may flip the coin and try something new. I've always wanted to get a decent streak going on the Assault Killstreak selection but don't really succeed. Will try the other perks that I don't use today

 

[timtadams]

Yeah, i often try mix up my classes too. I find it funny how in COD4 my favorite gun was M4, in MW2 it was the SCAR, and in MW3 i use both. (got gold M4, almost gold SCAR and almost gold L118A, until i prestige soon lol)

I do snipe quite a bit too. Actually had epic win sniping today. Losing whole match, score was 6900 to 7400, got a 5 kills sniping, including UAV, got predator at 7400 all, and someone on my team got a crappy game winning kill right before my predator exploded next to 2 guys. Still, it was an awesome comeback.

And I usually go with UAV, predator and attack helicopter. UAVs only need three kills, and once you get predator, you can usually get one or two kills with it to get your attack helicopter easy enough.

Got a class to help deal with campers too. M4 heartbeat + noobtube, semtex, stuns, rocket launcher. Recon, assassin, sitrep. And because they totally nerfed noobtubes and rocket launches, i will fire two grenades and a rocket into a room, hit the person with every single one, and still not kill them. It almost has to be a direct hit to kill them now. While its good at getting rid of noobtubers, it sux because its much harder to get those ****in campers.

 

[CFalcon]

I also have moved into MW3 due to the lack of games on MW2, and I'm still not really convinced.

95% of people are sprinting around with SMGs or shotguns. I'm genuinely suprised if I get killed by a sniper rifle or LMG.

There just isn't any point to snipers in MW3. I know it's *possible* to do well with them, (I've gone on a few 10 kill streaks with them), but really people only use them to show off. There is no situation where a sniper rifle is better than an assault rifle with ACOG, but there are hundreds of situations where the inverse is true.

OK, maaaaybe Bakarra. But that's it.

Whereas MW2, sniper was on a par with or better than assault on Derail, Afghan, Underpass, Estate, Wasteland. And could hold it's own on most of the others.

But on MW3, too cramped, people spawning all around and on top of you.

 

[tobapopalos]

I use the L118A or the MSR on a lot of maps. The big semi-autos are just too heavy and slow, and the lighter ones don't get 1 shot kills, so the bolt-actions are the way to go.

My sniper class is the L118A just with extended mags (heartbeat sensors are useless imo), magnum as secondary, sleight of hand, quickdraw, stalker.

Quickdraw really is an absolute necessary for sniping imo. Scoping in is just too slow without it.

And I use Specialist strike package with assassin and blind eye and something random.

There are loads of maps you can snipe successfully on. Bakaara, Seatown, Interchange, Resistance, Bootleg...those are just the ones I can think of atm when I don't have my xbox on.

 

[CFalcon]

Yeah, I always go with the L118. And yeah, you can be successful. But of those maps you listed, Bakarra is the only one with enough distance for the sniper to actually have an advantage over an assault/ACOG. The others really can't be compared to Derail, Wasteland or Estate for distance.

Maybe I sound like I'm whining too much. I do really like the game and play it when I can, but it could have been so much better.

 

[tobapopalos]

Nah, you don't sound like you're whining. I was just surprised that you haven't found snipers to be very popular. I find most matches have a sniper or two at least, and most maps do have sniper spots.

Personally I like running around with the L118A rather than sniping from one spot, and I don't find it any less effective than using an assault rifle unless you're unlucky enough to run into someone close range, and even then you can get some pretty humiliating quick-scope/no-scope snipe shots

 

[timtadams]

I reckon im of the opinion somewhere between you two. MW2 was better for sniping, but you can still do well in MW3.

The only real issue i have with MW3 is the support package. And Elite; gaaaaaaaaaaaaay. I dont mind it, but i hate the little messages that try to suck you into it (New maps for Elite members (EXCLAMATION MARK)). Am i 'Elite' member? NO, SO **** OFF.

[edit] and just randomly, i swear i did the challenge 'get 300 kills using speed proficiency' whilst using the M60E4 with kick proficiency. I know i have speed on my L118A, and i mightve got that class out once before i got the kill, but i swear it was with the M60E4

weird

 

[Dark_Angel]

Problem with MW3 is that its maps are very built up. I don't often snipe, there just aren't enough big open areas to make it worthwhile. Likewise CF, I don't often get killed by snipers. There's just too much cover by way of buildings/cars etc. If I think back snipers are rarely the top of the leaderboard, at least in my games, whilst if I remember rightly I also see next to no sniper-kills on the final kill cam.

An extreme example, MW3 doesn't have anything like wasteland:

Edit - Found an article that helps explain the issue in greater detail.

"I think that the person who plays the sniper on a team can have a ton of fun, but one of the biggest criticisms you always hear is about campers, right? We don't want to emphasise that dynamic so much that the other people in that engagement aren't having fun," he said.


"We have less verticality in our maps, there are less camping points. And so the challenge for snipers is to hang back on the perimeter or the periphery and pick people off - the maps aren't set up to really capitalise on that, by intention.

 

[Franny]

The MSR is my most used gun on mw3. I always do well with it. Have both good and bad games. I'd actually say sniping is easier on mw3 than on 2. I do however only snipe when playing search and destroy mainly.

 

[timtadams]

Problem with MW3 is that its maps are very built up. I don't often snipe, there just aren't enough big open areas to make it worthwhile. Likewise CF, I don't often get killed by snipers. There's just too much cover by way of buildings/cars etc. If I think back snipers are rarely the top of the leaderboard, at least in my games, whilst if I remember rightly I also see next to no sniper-kills on the final kill cam.

An extreme example, MW3 doesn't have anything like wasteland:

Edit - Found an article that helps explain the issue in greater detail.

"I think that the person who plays the sniper on a team can have a ton of fun, but one of the biggest criticisms you always hear is about campers, right? We don't want to emphasise that dynamic so much that the other people in that engagement aren't having fun," he said.


"We have less verticality in our maps, there are less camping points. And so the challenge for snipers is to hang back on the perimeter or the periphery and pick people off - the maps aren't set up to really capitalise on that, by intention.

I dont know whether he actually believes what he is saying DA, but he is full of **** either way. What he is doing is the classic example of taking something bad, and trying to put a positive spin on the differences and make it like its a goods thing.

Yes, we hate campers, but not sniping campers FFS! In fact, even though i dont camp when sniping, i find it totally acceptable.

By cluttering the maps even more, it just makes even more camping spots for everyone who is not a sniper! So now, snipers are no longer EQUALLY competitive with the other weapons (imo) and there are now more of the campers that players actually hate (ive definitely noticed a higher portion of campers in MW3 compared to MW2, i find myself muttering 'pathetic' many times in a good few hours of play)

 

[timtadams]

Does anyone know which launcher locks on the fastest? Im trying to take out helicopters before the drop their care packages.

 

[tobapopalos]

That is so true, timtadams. I personally don't have a problem with snipers. If you want to kill them you just get a sniper rifle yourself and do it. The type of campers who piss me off are the ones who spend entire games lying down in corners or crouching behind boxes in little rooms just waiting for people to walk in. It's such a pitiful way to play.

The worst single area for that imo is in the middle house on Resistance where there are always like 3 people hiding. Hence, my main class has noobtube, SMAW and C4. It's hilarious how badly you can **** them over like that, because they'll just keep going back every time they die.

 

[Elevnos]

I missed properly sniping too much when I went to MW3, yeah, maybe you can on a few maps, but the new voting system means that you'll never get to go on them except Bakaara anyway! And the fact that everyone votes for Bakaara instantly means I have to go on the same map time and time again! I once managed five games in a row on that map... Anyway now I just play infection on the rare occasion that I choose it over FIFA 12.

 

[Daso]

mw2 is the best!

 

[timtadams]

Just came up with a hilarious class.

Primary: Whatever you pawn with (except shotguns and akimbo SMGs cos they are gaaaaaay). Mine is M4 or SCAR with kick + red dot.
Seconday: Whatever floats your boat. I used silenced USP. Launcher would be good though, especially stingers as taking out enemy killstreaks adds to your pointstreak.
Lethal: Anything except claymores and bouncy betties which are gay. I use Throwing knife.
Tactical: Whatever. I use EMP grenades.
Perk 1: Whatever takes your fancy. I use sleight of hand.
Perk 2: HARDLINE.
Perk 3: Whatever you prefer. I use Sitrep.
Strike package: ASSAULT:
1st reward: UAV.
2nd reward: NONE.
3rd reward: NONE.
Deathstreak: Irrelevent cos you will pwn.

Result, UAV every 2 consecutive kills.

Although, you cant have more than one UAV ready to call in at once though. I.e. If you have UAV ready and get another 2 kills, you will still only be able to call in one.

 

[Daso]

lol good one timt

 

[Hamilton]

So the class is irrelevant? you just want UAV and Hardline to quickly get UAV and piss off the opposition?

In that case, great idea! Will give it a go today

 

[timtadams]

So the class is irrelevant? you just want UAV and Hardline to quickly get UAV and piss off the opposition?

In that case, great idea! Will give it a go today

Yeah, pretty much

Although I guess other parts of the class are relevant too though
Using stinger means you take out enemy stuff and it adds to your pointstreak. EMP grenades take out turrets,IMS,etc really easily and also help your pointstreak.
Sitrep helps you avoid all those lethal equipments so you can stay alive for that one extra kill.

Now that i think about it, Recon pro would serve a more relevant purpose. So if you dont kill them, you still paint them on the minimap and have someone else kill them, possibly adding to your point streak thanks to hardline pro.

 

[timtadams]

I wish they would add better challenges for the throwing knife and riot shield, along with titles such as for weapons. Shield veteran III (the highest) is 15 kills with a riot shield. I did that in 2 or 3 games. It should go up to at least 1000 with gold title etc. Veteran III for a gun is 2500 kills, as opposed to 15 for riot shield. Thats just stupid.

Same with throwing knife. Carnie III is 30 kills. Not even a challenge. I want to be able to get a gold title with "Throwing Knife" or "Carnie". "Riot Shield Man" would be an awesome gold title...