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[cervantes]

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it was? ooops, sorry, my bad then

 

[Polo]

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I switched from antisback to polos to try it out a few hours ago.
They are both very nice and helpful! however, i like the spy stripper of antisback better, because i dont have to scroll all the way down to see the defending IDs.

@Polo: maybe you can include this information further up on the spy page? that would be a big improvemnt!
another critisicm: the loading of the spy pages takes much longer now that i have polos extension installed, probably because of the "x ticks ago" information. this information is really valuabe sometimes, but it would be handy to be able to switch it off/on, since i dont always need this information and it slows the loading time down a lot, at least on my computer.
i switched back to antisback because of the above reasons.

Well, I wasn't sure whether to put that information at the top or bottom of the spy. I've just uploaded a new version with it at the top (Tools -> Add-ons -> Find updates) and so far I do prefer it there. Good suggestion.

You are right, spies now take slightly longer to load. However, I tested it extensively on an average length spy report (about 10 pages worth of news) and the page generally took 4.5 seconds to load rather than 4 seconds without the extension. You have to remember that on very long spy reports, the page would take a long time to load anyway. Try spying someone with the extension installed a few times and then without it a few times and you should notice that it doesn't take much longer to load.

 

[Rosa]

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I switched from antisback to polos to try it out a few hours ago.
They are both very nice and helpful! however, i like the spy stripper of antisback better, because i dont have to scroll all the way down to see the defending IDs.

@Polo: maybe you can include this information further up on the spy page? that would be a big improvemnt!
another critisicm: the loading of the spy pages takes much longer now that i have polos extension installed, probably because of the "x ticks ago" information. this information is really valuabe sometimes, but it would be handy to be able to switch it off/on, since i dont always need this information and it slows the loading time down a lot, at least on my computer.
i switched back to antisback because of the above reasons.

My thoughts exactly...
Polo, your tool extension would be even more awesome if it included the spy stripper, that's pretty much the only reason why I am using these tool bars in the first place.
And I also agree with the last point that Cervantes made, the whole - x ticks ago - thing makes my firefox take so long to load, in fact I think I just loaded a spy report for over a minute.
Though unlike Andy, I want to ask for a more complex solution. If possible could you make it so instead of just turning it off, make it so we can choose the ticks? What I mean is, when I look at a spy report I really only care about like the past 10 ticks. - to see who's defending and what eta. So if possible could it be changed so that we (the users) can select how many ticks ago we want to see? - So like, we can just turn it off, or just view stuff from 10 ticks ago or all the ticks ago.
Either way, the tool bars are quite amazing, and if you don't understand what I just said, pm me and I'll try and make it more cohesive.

 

[cervantes]

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@Polo:
I just updated your extension and tried it out. Now that the info is given on top of the spy report i really like it! Very useful! Nice work, thank you!
About the loading times, yeah, i didnt really pay attention how much longer exactly it is loading, it just felt much more when i was browsing for some targets earlier today, but maybe it is just a subjective feeling :S

@Rosa and Polo:
why not make it last 10 (20) ticks as standard? you are right rosa, the only relevant ticks are the last 10, maybe 15 ticks. Sure, the information given from research started and research done ticks might be missing, but i would prefer this over longer loading times.

 

[Polo]

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I switched from antisback to polos to try it out a few hours ago.
They are both very nice and helpful! however, i like the spy stripper of antisback better, because i dont have to scroll all the way down to see the defending IDs.

@Polo: maybe you can include this information further up on the spy page? that would be a big improvemnt!
another critisicm: the loading of the spy pages takes much longer now that i have polos extension installed, probably because of the "x ticks ago" information. this information is really valuabe sometimes, but it would be handy to be able to switch it off/on, since i dont always need this information and it slows the loading time down a lot, at least on my computer.
i switched back to antisback because of the above reasons.

My thoughts exactly...
Polo, your tool extension would be even more awesome if it included the spy stripper, that's pretty much the only reason why I am using these tool bars in the first place.

Included the spy stripper? Maybe I misunderstood you but my extension does have a spy stripper...Although maybe you didn't see it as it was displayed at the bottom of the spy. But if you update the extension, it now shows at the top which should make things a lot easier.

And I also agree with the last point that Cervantes made, the whole - x ticks ago - thing makes my firefox take so long to load, in fact I think I just loaded a spy report for over a minute.

As I said in reply to him, it hardly adds any time onto the loading of the page. At least, for me...

Though unlike Andy, I want to ask for a more complex solution. If possible could you make it so instead of just turning it off, make it so we can choose the ticks? What I mean is, when I look at a spy report I really only care about like the past 10 ticks. - to see who's defending and what eta. So if possible could it be changed so that we (the users) can select how many ticks ago we want to see? - So like, we can just turn it off, or just view stuff from 10 ticks ago or all the ticks ago.

This is possible. I'll think about it.

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@Polo:
I just updated your extension and tried it out. Now that the info is given on top of the spy report i really like it! Very useful! Nice work, thank you!
About the loading times, yeah, i didnt really pay attention how much longer exactly it is loading, it just felt much more when i was browsing for some targets earlier today, but maybe it is just a subjective feeling :S

@Rosa and Polo:
why not make it last 10 (20) ticks as standard? you are right rosa, the only relevant ticks are the last 10, maybe 15 ticks. Sure, the information given from research started and research done ticks might be missing, but i would prefer this over longer loading times.

Tbh, when I started running the extension I thought spies were taking far too long to load so I did some testing and realised it's actually not that much longer than it is without the extension. Some spy reports can take ages to load even without the extension if a lot has happened to that ID.

As I said above, I'll look into having an option to specify how many ticks the script checks.

 

[Benneh]

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I just have a small question:

When you spy someone the thing that shows how much ticks have passed is extremely helpful, BUT is it 100% correct as we all know that times of day/night change during different seasons, does the toolkit have that in mind?

It's 100% accurate. It did mess up last night because of Halloween (according to Azzer Halloween is partially on 31st Oct and partially on 1st Nov) but that's fixed now (Tools -> Addons -> Find Updates, if you haven't got the fix yet).

Antisback tools > polo's

sorry

It would be more helpful if you said why...

Any ideas for improvements or extra features would be great.

when i used yours the writeing at the top (funds, id, tick)
they was all messed up

What do you mean? Screenshot?

The funds per hour is going into the value of the player.. Maybe change it to Per hr so that the "hour" doesn't run into the value
Screenshot attached

 

[Polo]

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The funds per hour is going into the value of the player.. Maybe change it to Per hr so that the "hour" doesn't run into the value
Screenshot attached

Get a better resolution! Thanks for the screenshot though. I could change it to:
- (+£xxx Per hr)
- (+£xxx/hour)
- or as it is but with +£xxx in a smaller font.
Which would be better?

 

[Loz]

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now polo has showen me how to work it...

Polo's tools > antis

sorreh

 

[Benneh]

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EDIT; Caught you on IRC.

 

[cervantes]

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Polo,
I tested the loading times of spy reports with your/antisback toolkit on or off. i used 2 differnt IDs, one with a shorter, another one with a longer news page. I wrote the loading times down for both extension and for no extension. i did double values to make sure it is correct and averaged the numbers. here is the result:

ID A: shorter spy report:
....................................polo's..........antisback's..........no extension
Page Generation Time:........0,105s..........0,1067s...............0,0959s
Laoding Time:..................5,128s..........0,9165s...............0,571s


ID B: longer spy report:
......................................polo's.........antisback's.........no extension
Page Generation Time:.........0,134s.........0,1996s.............0,1328s
Laoding Time:...................9,629s.........1,737s...............1,127s

As shown here, the page loading time is extremely longer if I use polo's extension, between 8 to 10 times longer. Antisback externsion also increases the loading time, but the effect is less dramatic (about 1.5 to 2 fold increase).
The question is, if this is just my computer, or if it is a general thing.

 

[Polo]

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Polo,
I tested the loading times of spy reports with your/antisback toolkit on or off. i used 2 differnt IDs, one with a shorter, another one with a longer news page. I wrote the loading times down for both extension and for no extension. i did double values to make sure it is correct and averaged the numbers. here is the result:

ID A: shorter spy report:
....................................polo's..........antisback's..........no extension
Page Generation Time:........0,105s..........0,1067s...............0,0959s
Laoding Time:..................5,128s..........0,9165s...............0,571s


ID B: longer spy report:
......................................polo's.........antisback's.........no extension
Page Generation Time:.........0,134s.........0,1996s.............0,1328s
Laoding Time:...................9,629s.........1,737s...............1,127s

As shown here, the page loading time is extremely longer if I use polo's extension, between 8 to 10 times longer. Antisback externsion also increases the loading time, but the effect is less dramatic (about 1.5 to 2 fold increase).
The question is, if this is just my computer, or if it is a general thing.

Wow. I just tested it again on a spy about 10 pages long and it took around 4 seconds rather than 3.5.

What spec computer do you have? Are you running other ram-whoring applications at the same time? Also, which version of firefox are you running?

 

[cervantes]

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i am running nothing but firefox atm.
in the background antivir is running.
firefox version 2.0.0.12.

but you say in your case it increases from 3.5 to 4, i usually have a loading time of below 1 second when i dont have any extension switched on. weird, but my laptop here at work is rather old, and it isnt running very reliable. I will test it again at home, on my desktop machine with 2 gigs of RAM and core 2 duo CPU. i will keep you posted, maybe it indeed is just related to my shitty laptop...

 

[Polo]

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i am running nothing but firefox atm.
in the background antivir is running.
firefox version 2.0.0.12.

but you say in your case it increases from 3.5 to 4, i usually have a loading time of below 1 second when i dont have any extension switched on. weird, but my laptop here at work is rather old, and it isnt running very reliable. I will test it again at home, on my desktop machine with 2 gigs of RAM and core 2 duo CPU. i will keep you posted, maybe it indeed is just related to my smeg laptop...

Yeah, it probably is your laptop. I'm assuming your work has a good internet connection which is why your load times are always under 1 second. My internet at home sucks hence why it takes longer for mine to load. It'll be interesting to see how it performs on your desktop though. My laptop also has 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo CPU.

 

[cervantes]

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Yeah, it probably is your laptop. I'm assuming your work has a good internet connection which is why your load times are always under 1 second. My internet at home sucks hence why it takes longer for mine to load. It'll be interesting to see how it performs on your desktop though. My laptop also has 2gb of ram and a core 2 duo CPU.

my internet here at work is very fast (around 45MbBits up and down)
At home i have "only" a 1.5MBit connection but a more powerful computer. lets see what difference this makes....

 

[pinpower]

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me and rosa were talking about this earlier and so i tested the loading time on my PC...with polos thingy running the loading time was never more than 3 seconds...and my PC isnt particularly good/new...

(this was on an average to long spy report)

 

[Nitrous]

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I don't know if this is just my account or not. BUT yesterday evening I installed the plugin (Sorry Antisback <3); and it said I would earn 3 billion every hour. However now it says I will earn 2.7 billion every hour. :?

Can anyone help?

 

[Polo]

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I don't know if this is just my account or not. BUT yesterday evening I installed the plugin (Sorry Antisback <3); and it said I would earn 3 billion every hour. However now it says I will earn 2.7 billion every hour. :?

Can anyone help?

It changed seasons.

 

[cervantes]

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Okay, as promised here the values for my desktop computer in comparison of my laptop:


ID A: short spy report:
....................................no extension.......antisback's..........polo's
loading time (laptop):.........0,571s............0,9165s...............5,128s
loading time (desktop):.......0,776s............0,835s.................1,55s

ID B: long spy report:
....................................no extension.......antisback's..........polo's
loading Time (laptop):............1,127s..........1,737s...............9,629s
loading time (desktop):..........1,506s...........1,625s..............3,05s



here are the loading time increases given in fold. (no extension is set to 1):

ID A: short spy report:
...................................................no extension......antisback's........Polo's
loading time increase (fold, laptop):..........1...................1.6...............8,9
loading time (fold, desktop):....................1...................1,08.............2,0

ID B: long spy report:
...................................................no extension......antisback's........Polo's
loading time increase (fold, laptop):..........1...................1.54..............8,5
loading time (fold, desktop):....................1...................1,08.............2,0


apparently my laptop is crap and takes much longer to calculate the extra code that comes in with polo's and antisback's extensions. However, Polo's extension still needs much more calculation time than antisback's. On my desktop the loading times with no extension are higher compared to the laptop, simply because the internet provided for my laptop is much faster. But when antisback's extension is active, the loading time on my desktop increases just slightly (1.1 fold), whereas Polo's extension takes noticebly longer (2-fold), even though not as dramatic longer as seen on my laptop (8.5-fold).

To summarize:
As expected, fast internet connection reduces the loading times of the standard bush site (with no extension whatsoever), even though the difference is not that much.
Secondly, calculating power is limiting the loading times of the pages once the extensions are active, however, Polo's loading time takes much more calculating power than antisback. A faster computer can reduce the increased loading time (as seen in this examole from 8.5 fold to 2 fold), but is is still noticelby longer.

Polo, in your case your internet connection really sucks, because you see an increase from 3.5s to 4s. I think you dont see a 2-fold increase in loading times because your loading times are very high already even with no extension. By the time the page is loaded, the code is apparently almost done

i hope that helps in any case, if not, well, at least i had fun testing it

 

[f0xx]

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Well all the information a spy report gives with polo's extension is worth the extra few seconds tbh

 

[Polo]

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Well all the information a spy report gives with polo's extension is worth the extra few seconds tbh

Agreed. But I will take a look at the code and see if I can speed it up. If not I'll add preferences so the user can choose what information is displayed.