[23:49] <Azzer> I've had more words with Twigley, and JJ, about 10 minutes ago, and given both official admin warnings.
[23:49] <Azzer> I want anything to do with them "referred on to me" to deal with. They can choose not to play ball with the mods/ops, in which case they will play a much more dangerous game - they'll have to play ball with me.
[23:49] <Azzer> So if they step out of line, just log it on the forums or let me know, but keep out of their way yourself.
01[23:49] <harriergirl> ...
[23:49] <Azzer> They'll either step over the line because you/other ops aren't responding to them
[23:49] <Azzer> And they'll get their game accounts locked
[23:50] <Azzer> Or they'll now behave.
01[23:50] <harriergirl> tbh I don't believe you will touch them
01[23:50] <harriergirl> but by all means I'll log thier crap
06[23:50] * Azzer raises an eyebrow.
[23:50] <Azzer> You have no idea how angry I am at them.
01[23:50] <harriergirl> I believe you are angry
01[23:50] <harriergirl> but I dont' believe you are doint enough about it
01[23:50] <harriergirl> they do it because they can
01[23:50] <harriergirl> period
[23:50] <Azzer> They can't
[23:51] <Azzer> That's what they are going to discover.
01[23:51] <harriergirl> but yet they still do
01[23:51] <harriergirl> and have for weeks
01[23:51] <harriergirl> and I"m not being pissy with you
01[23:51] <harriergirl> i'm being honest
01[23:51] <harriergirl> but I'm in alot of channels and in alot of circles
[23:51] <Azzer> They've done very minor things, they've just been doing it lots.
01[23:51] <harriergirl> which is a majore thing
[23:51] <Azzer> It's very, VERY rare I step on to somebody's game account for what they do on IRC/forums.
[23:51] <Azzer> Like - so rare I can't remember the last person that I had to do anything to.
01[23:51] <harriergirl> Azzer, how honest do you want me to be
[23:51] <Azzer> But Twigley in particular is only a step away from it.
01[23:52] <harriergirl> because i'mnot angry , i'm frustrated
[23:52] <Azzer> I know you are, which is why I'm dealing with this from the game account perspective, rather than their forum/IRC accounts which they apparently don't care much about.
[23:52] <Azzer> I could just let the ops/mods cause a war and a rift between players and staff with Twigley as the ring-leader of all of his friends.
01[23:53] <hg|afk> but azzer
01[23:53] <hg|afk> and i'm afk so I can focus my convo here
06[23:53] * hg|afk sighs
01[23:53] <hg|afk> you havn'et allowed proper escalation with them
01[23:53] <hg|afk> for some reason.. you are afraid of confronting twigly head on ... and I'm not sure why
01[23:54] <hg|afk> but the truth is.. that by not letting us ban /kick him and stepping in yourself
01[23:54] <hg|afk> you are negating what power we have..
01[23:54] <hg|afk> now.. if we had carried out 5 day bans on him .. and his lot.. I bet something different would happen
01[23:54] <hg|afk> so it wouldn't have to resort to in game stuff
01[23:54] <hg|afk> now if they came back after 5 days with more crap then by all means.. go for the thorat
01[23:55] <hg|afk> the rest of the player base think this is absolutly appalling...
01[23:55] <hg|afk> I get asked multiple times daily why I'm not doing more...
01[23:55] <hg|afk> and I say because Azzer's handling it
01[23:55] <hg|afk> and they laugh
[23:57] <Azzer> We're not nazis, HG, whatever some players might like as long as they aren't on the receiving end themselves.
01[23:57] <hg|afk> azzer ...
01[23:57] <hg|afk> there is a difference between being a nazi and being a reasonable authority figure
[23:57] <Azzer> If I can get a peaceful resolution without needing to permanently ban/lock players or cause a huge divide between a large group of players and the new staff, I will.
[23:57] <Azzer> Yes, there is.
01[23:58] <hg|afk> now.. I admit when I got dropped into op... I was thinking more of a mommy and what I would want my kids to hear and say
01[23:58] <hg|afk> and there were times I over reacted
[23:58] <Azzer> But when you are dealing with unreasonable people who are ringleaders of a large group of players.
[23:58] <Azzer> SOMETIMES you have to handle the situation differently.
01[23:58] <hg|afk> from a business point then ?
01[23:58] <hg|afk> not sarcastic I"m asking honestly
[23:58] <Azzer> Oh from a business point entirely, HG - twigley's a ringleader of a large group of players.
01[23:58] <hg|afk> this is between me and you
[23:58] <Azzer> Not just his powerblock.
01[23:59] <hg|afk> no no
[23:59] <Azzer> He's doing all of this on purpose
01[23:59] <hg|afk> i understand
[23:59] <Azzer> His "gradual" pushing of mods/ops with "minor" things constantly
01[23:59] <hg|afk> I switched from op mode to business mode and I completely nderstand
[23:59] <Azzer> Logging it all, sharing it with friends, reporting you guys for being nazis to me several times (as have MANy of his friends)
01[00:00] <hg|afk> which is why I avoided logging in at the same time as him for a while
Session Time: Wed Feb 25 00:00:00 2009
[00:00] <Azzer> If I let you guys just keep banning him, there will be a "mini-riot", with a bunch of players basically making the forums/IRC/the game hell with "legitimate protest" (threads all over complaining without technically breaking rules etc.)
01[00:00] <hg|afk> because he was personally aiming for me
[00:00] <Azzer> Normally I'd stay out of it and let you ban
[00:00] <Azzer> But in this case, this individual.
[00:00] <Azzer> Let's just say from a business side, it would be dangerous to do so.
[00:00] <Azzer> (and I'm speaking from experience of a number of similar situations/individuals)
01[00:00] <hg|afk> no no I understand
[00:00] <Azzer> I'm making my "public" threats clear and in advance
01[00:00] <hg|afk> at chase there wer people who pulled more flak than others
[00:01] <Azzer> And making everyone aware that it's "me" dealing with it, not the other ops/mods.
01[00:01] <hg|afk> who knew what key words to say and what threats to make
[00:01] <Azzer> So if nothing's done - you guys don't get flak for being lazy
01[00:01] <hg|afk> and we had to treat them differently
[00:01] <Azzer> And if something *DOES* get done - it's by me, not by "nazi mods/ops".
[00:01] <Azzer> So they have nothing to protest, and not a leg to stand on.